Thread:DevilSlayer123/@comment-862718-20200129113255/@comment-862718-20200201015214

DevilSlayer123 wrote: No, it was my fault for jumping to that.

Our sources just comes from the light novel itself and even in the ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/落第騎士の英雄譚 he's stll referred to as a man and even in the light novel he's still referred to as a man.

I'm not even sure it wasn't just due to his expericence as a child within the orphanage where they viewed him as a mother due to his kindness and his friend who was a girl as a father due to the fact she was realiable and he just maintained that mindset to remember them.

I'm also why it's such a big deal on how he's referred to as since it doesn't change who Nagi is as a character. It's okay. I know that polite and neutral discourse isn't common on the Internet, and I thank you for giving me a chance to investigate and interview you.

Well, looking at this article, translated, it seems to me to be a disconnect between your Wiki's attempt at language accuracy and attempt at cultural accuracy. In the article, Nagi is referred to with male pronouns, but pronouns in Japanese aren't often gendered. In fact, you have to go out of your way to use a gendered pronoun for someone else. This has more than once caused an issue in Japanese-to-English translations with androgynous characters who use neutral pronouns, like Crono from Soul Eater. In addition, Nagi describes himself as "A D-rank knight who claims to be a maiden born in a man's body and likes to be called "Alice". The so-called feminine abilities, such as perfect coordination of women, are also in the realm of real women." "A maiden born in a man's body" is a VERY polite and socially acceptable way in Japan for one to call themselves a transwoman. This is also shown with other anime and manga series where transwomen characters refer to themselves with phrases like "I am a woman at heart," such as this character from One Piece https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Kikunojo This character from Zombieland Saga https://zombieland-saga.fandom.com/wiki/Lily_Hoshikawa This character form Happiness: https://happinessanime.fandom.com/wiki/Jun_Watarase

And this character from Hero Academia: https://bokunoheroacademia.fandom.com/wiki/Kenji_Hikiishi Now, in Japan, transpeople tend to have a very difficult culture than in the western hemisphere. Transwomen will typically dress like men but plainly state they "have a woman/maiden's heart" while displaying feminine mannerisms and interests. People around them may refer to them with gender-neutral pronouns or possibly even what rare male pronouns the Japanese language has, but they still address them as a woman in other ways. This isn't to say that the transperson isn't a transperson, it's just a way that Japanese culture treats transpeople different from the west. So while Nagi IS biologically male and is referred to with gender-neutral or male pronouns, Nagi still displays the mannerisms, manner of dress, manner of address, interests, and statements that code them as a transwoman in the culture that the story is written for. To list Nagi as "he/him" and just say "he THINKS he's a woman but is biologically male," while is a 1-to-1 translation of the Japanese Wikipedia (though I still consider the implication of delusion to be an unintended embellishment) article and light novel's text, isn't a 1-to-1 conversion of the culture. While Nagi appears different from how transwomen are treated in the USA and western parts of the world, in Japanese culture, Nagi fits the code of a transwoman to a T, right down to the "I'm a woman at heart" statement that is so stock for transwomen characters in anime.

Now, while translation accuracy is important... Why this specific one, and why not others? Several of the different weapon and attack names have multiple different translations, so considering how this conflicts with other English sources and doesn't look good, why die on this hill? And why focus on translation over culture when every other Wiki (note the ones I linked above) give an appropriate conversion of the culture? Kenji Hikiishi from Hero Academia doesn't LOOK like a woman, but she still identifies as a woman and fits the Japanese standards for a transwoman, so the Wiki does a faithful conversion of culture and addresses Kenji Hikiishi as a transwoman with she/her pronouns.

In addition, while I'm not trying to question your sincerity or reasoning on the matter (rest assured, this is purely for the sake of my report), the fact that your Wiki's founder never once mentioned 1-to-1 translation in Nagi's Talk article, but instead made blanket statements like I linked above, doesn't exactly suggest that this decision was originally made with intention of faithful translation. Maybe that's the reasoning to keep it this way, but from the words of your founder, it doesn't LOOK like the original reason to the casually observing eye. If it were, your founder should've just said so, instead of saying that pronoun and gender identity is strictly based in genitalia, a believe that is becoming more and more draconing with progressing social culture. Again, not trying to accuse you of anything, I'm just pointing out how: -The inconsistency with the TV Tropes article, MyAnimeList, and Wikipedia article. -The lack of sources that the Wikipedia article has. -The Nagi article being locked. -The rather provocative comments made by your founder about gender identity and genitals that you should probably see a certain John Oliver video about the VERY horrifying implications of. -The drastically different practice of translation-accuracy over culture-conversion that the articles on other Wikis I linked above displayed (these characters all never refer to themselves as tranwomen due to Japanese culture putting a taboo on stating it outright, hence why "I'm a woman/maiden at heart" is used as code for it in fictional media) ​​-The passionate defensiveness at it being brought up. -The admittedly flimsy (from an objective standpoint) defense at favoring faithful translation over culture conversion or consistent practices with other websites or other Wikis. All paint a VERY negative image of your Wiki in the eyes of others. In fact, part of the reason I'm here is that your Wiki has become rather notorious for all the wrong reasons due to your Nagi article, its comparison to Nagi's articles on MyAnimeList, TV Tropes, and Wikipedia, and the words of your founder on Nagi's talk page. I came to investigate, see both sides of the story, for the sake of an article objectively analyzing this and whether it's right or not. I must remain neutral, of course, but looking at it through a leans of reason... This doesn't seem wise from a standpoint of long-term survival. A wise man once said "If you stand on the wrong side of progress, history will NOT look back kindly on you. There is no biopic where Schindler punches out a suffragist."

​​​​​​And while Nagi being a transwoman doesn't change their character... Well, it's still denying a character a representative identity, and also msirepresenting a PART of their character that is present in their Japanese counterpart. Readers or watchers who get curious if Nagi is a transwoman will look them up, and find your article first in a Google search. And unless they check Wikipedia, MyAnimeList, or TV Tropes to corroborate, then your Wiki will lead them to believe that Nagi is just delusional rather than experiencing gender dysphoria that they can potentially relate to, identify with, and give them acceptance towards a complex social issue. And, if they DO check these other three sites first, they will start to question why your's is the odd one out. And, if they're of a progressive mind, may start to think that your Wiki is being intellectually dishonest due to an agenda, something that your founder's comments on Nagi's article's Talk page can serve as a reasonable confirmationt towards. Whether this is true or not doesn't matter. Fact is, people are going to start drawing conclusions based on what they see, and regardless of your intentions on faithful 1-to-1 translation, they are still seeing: -A locked article that implies a man is delusional while three other, larger sites refer to them as a transwoman. -A Talk page that has the Wiki's founder telling people that genitals are what make a woman a woman which, regardless of his intention, can easily be read as discrimination against LGBT. -An article that makes no justification for its contradiction of other sources, whereas Wikipedia has citations. -Gossip and word of mouth about the "dubious views" of this Wiki and how it's caused by the the admins of it "inserting their biased rhetoric" into their Wiki when other Wikis stay more neutral in their records. -Admins who react defensively, dig their heels in, make justifications that can look flimsy to the untrained eye, and imply that people asking about the Nagi article is an ongoing problem yet don't see that as any indication of a larger problem.

And assuming that people asking about the inconsistency with Nagi's article DO keep coming as you implied, then I can't help but wonder why this wasn't recognize as a problem if it's going to keep causing issues with people who notice the inconsistency and start to question it.