Thread:DevilSlayer123/@comment-862718-20200129113255/@comment-862718-20200207082101

AP24 wrote: I think you're forgetting the fact that this wiki is about Rakudai series, not Alice. This is a place for providing information from the series, not fighting about topics related to Alice's gender. Those people that kept making those changes to the pages only seem to care about Alice's gender and never made any other contribution or discuss other topics from the series here. The issue of whether male or female pronouns should be used for Alice is supposed to be a minor thing and yet there are some people trying to make a big deal out of this to the point that at least one person made multiple usernames to make it look like many people are complaining the same thing. I never cared about this before but it's because there are people who are so stubborn that I got dragged into such ridicilous fight. I only care about the story and I put the volume summaries here so that I can discuss the story with other people. It's the same reason why most people came to this wiki. If this wiki ends up mostly a place to debate about Alice's gender then I might as well stop putting summaries here. That's just it, though: There is no debate on Alice's gender, and by choosing to ignore it, you're actually hurting the very credibility and organization of your Wiki, because you list a female-identifying character as "male" and word Alice's article to make their trans nature out to seem more like they are delusional. Again, there is no debate: TV Tropes, Wikipedia (with sources), MyAnimeList, Japanese culture, and even DigiBro on Youtube have all shown that Alice is a transwoman. The fact that your Wiki continues to dig your heels in and insist that Alice is a man who simply believes he is a woman with no other reasoning than "specific Japanese pronoun" (even though this is contradicted by the culture around the pronoun usage, showing accuracy is not being fully considered) instead of a transwoman actually contradicts your insistence that Alice's pronoun isn't important and that this Wiki is meant to discuss and record the series, not Alice's gender. Under this logic, why are you listing gender on the Wiki at all? Why are you listing Ikki as male or Stella as female if gender on this Wiki matters nothing compared to everything else in the series? And if it truly doesn't matter, why are the admins of this Wiki so firmly passionate about refusing to have Alice's article match other canon sources? Again, all these defenses and justifications, from an objective standpoint outside of a vacuum, seem incredibly flimsy. In fact, it deeply contradicts your insistence that Alice's gender doesn't matter. if it doesn't matter, why are you more insistant on keeping it "male but he thinks he's a woman" than the other sources who make no big deal about listing Alice as a transwoman? It just speaks of projection and bias outweighing good Wiki editing sense. At present, the most I can say in my article is the above. I've yet to see anyone here give any clear reasoning to keep their Wiki contradicting other canon sources that I wasn't able to refute through deeper research than the "male pronoun" I was told was used. And again, the fact that the admins passionate refuse to acknowledge the deeper culture around a simple Japanese pronoun and your founder said rather bigoted things in the Talk page does not paint a positive light on your community. I won't make any accusations, but as the writer of the article, I AM required to state all the facts and evidence and allow the reader to draw their own conclusion. I came to get your reasoning behind your decisions, and the most I can find is that this reasoning is deeply flawed and stuck to like a Bible.