Thread:Cyberweasel89/@comment-2089817-20200227050534/@comment-862718-20200305015508

DevilSlayer123 wrote: When I was talking about people making accusations, I was referring to someone else not you specifically especially since you didn't really make an accusation toward me and was respectful when asking and answering questions with a reasonable response instead of just throwing a bunch of words at me without basis.

I love any character no matter what their race, gender, wheather they look a lot like Stella Vermillion or Rias Gremory from High School DxD (I actually perfer Sona more due to her dreams and goals) or as long as they're likable with an actual story.

And even if that person is an antagonist, I'd like to see how that person became the way they were like how no one knew how Zeref was known as one of the Most evil and strongest mages until his past and reasons were revealed or if you're evil for even no reason like All For One, but he was still protrayed amazingly.

I used to watched El Tigre a lot in the past and loved that show.

And I apologize for not being clearer, but when I said story, I also meant the people in the story. I'm not ignoring your points or counter-points as I understand all of them and you're providing more than anyone have presented before. I just want this to be peacefully revolved so that no one has mixed feelings about anything and come to a mutual understanding. Oh, no, no. I'm sorry for not being clearer. I know you were referring to others attacking your Wiki. I was referring to how, while I've done nothing to show outright hostility, you guys have presented only one actual non-biased reason for thinking that Nagi isn't trans (the other, that Nagi's gender doesn't matter, is contradicted by every other character and the Wiki's interface), but having not actually acknowledged any of my other points, the admins of this Wiki imply that a vague, poorly-translated neutral pronoun is far more important than:

-The Japanese culture around transpeople.

-The way Nagi matches the portrayal of transpeople in other anime, like One Piece (specifically, O-Kiku uses Nagi's same "I'm a woman at heart" line, which is common across Japanese media to avoid using the term "transwoman" )

-The intentions of the author.

-Keeping the Wiki consistent with other English info sources.

-Avoiding getting complaints and questions about Nagi's inconsistent article.

-Avoiding being accused of transphobia. ​ -Representation for a marginalized group.

-The corroboration of actual Japanese people.

And rather than actually addressing these points, I was told:

-You said that crossdressers are not trans people in another Wiki.

-Another, tiny little fanfic Wiki banned you for some reason. ​​​​​

And used these facts to try and imply that I wasn't worth engaging with, when I've done nothing to attack the wiki's admins' integrity. I've just tried to communicate with and understand you all, and made sure not to let anything you've said go without a proper response, and I've not been extended the same courtesy.

I believe that morality isn't a simple "bad" and "good." Everyone does what they do for their own personal reasons that cause them to believe their actions are justified. Most people feel guilty attacking a good person because they feel the person doesn't deserve it. But then they feel no guilt attacking a person they feel has done something wrong becuase they feel their actions are justified. So long as they have no reason to believe their actions are justified, a person isn't all hate all the time. So while I saw the peopla attacking the admins in Nagi's Talk article, I knew they were just upset at someone saying that a character portrayed as trans in canon is being called a "man who believes he's a woman," implying that transpeople are just people who are delusional. You can imagine that, if you were told you were delusional instead of straight and you're actually bisexual (or vice versa), you might get upset and lash out. So I understood that, while what they did wasn't appropriate, it also was justified in their own eyes, and they probably aren't bad people. Coming in, I extended this same frame of mind to the admins of this Wiki. And so far, I've not exactly felt my good faith was warranted considering the fragile defenses, digging of heels in, personal attacks, refusal to acknowledge counter-points, and the extremely hateful words of your founder. Notably, so far, I can't recall anyone actually disowning his anti-trans stock phrase regurgitation in Nagi's Talk article... The general consensus in the LGBT community and their allies is that if a person says they are a man because they identify as one, then regardless of genitalia, they are a man. So for your founder to say "no, they are a woman, because they have a vagina, and they can't change that," which is one of the most common anti-trans sentiments used against the LGBT community, which so far I can't recall anyone disowning... It really doesn't look good to defend what your founder implemented considering his reasoning for it.

Yes. So, the creator of El Tigre wrote Mexican characters because, in his own words, watching cartoons as a kid, he didn't see any Hispanic characters who made him feel like he wasn't less unusual. If you were to make an El Tigre Wiki, would you say that the protagonist "thinks he is Mexican but is really just American" or "thinks he is Hispanic but is realy just brown?" ​​​​ If Nagi's gender isn't important to the story, and the story includes the people in it, then does that not say that Nagi's gender isn't important to Nagi? I've spoken to many transpeople, and to them, their gender is very important to them. I've also spoken to many people who AREN'T trans, and many women would find it deeply offensive to be said they are too masculine to be a woman, and many men would get angry being told they are too effiminate to be a man. So if Nagi's gender is not important to Nagi and thus does not deserve to be portrayed accurately or consistently on this Wiki... Why is Stella and Ikki's gender portrayed accurately and consistently on this Wiki when their genders should be equally unimportant to them and the story? If gender is unimportant to this story, why use pronouns and have character gender tags at all?